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Dave Stark 4191	Posted - 2014.01.16 08:56:00 - [1] - Quote Rastafarian God wrote: So there is your counter. it's not a counter if a better solution is to not use an ESS and put the "counter" in another ratting ship. that just illustrates how bad the idea is. the counter is to not use an ESS at all.
Dave Stark 4191	Posted - 2014.01.16 09:04:00 - [2] - Quote illirdor wrote: im soooooo gonna fly around and dropping this baby just to **** ppl off XD but you can't deploy them in high sec...
Dave Stark 4194	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:14:00 - [3] - Quote maybe they should have let players build stargates to new places before beating them out of null with the nerf bat...
Dave Stark 4194	Posted - 2014.01.16 12:35:00 - [4] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: There are no better tears than null sec tears. The fact that almost every major alliance is crying and whining over this means it was a great idea. something that will never be used is a great idea? sorry, what?
Dave Stark 4196	Posted - 2014.01.16 13:22:00 - [5] - Quote illirdor wrote: Dave Stark wrote: illirdor wrote: im soooooo gonna fly around and dropping this baby just to **** ppl off XD but you can't deploy them in high sec... awwwww really ?? well im gonna have to settle with null then to bad they dont whine... but there's nobody there to be annoyed by your deployables?
Dave Stark 4196	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:09:00 - [6] - Quote Genseric Tollaris wrote: 250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average. they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though.
Dave Stark 4196	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:17:00 - [7] - Quote Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries... Oh the tears... people effected by a change comment on said change. news at 11.
Dave Stark 4196	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:22:00 - [8] - Quote Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Its funny, nullsec income gets nerfed, only nullsec cries... Oh the tears... people affected by a change comment on said change. news at 11. I'm just really happy for this for 2 reasons... Perfect Interceptor Skills... Still have ALL CFC and extremely deep safe and personal bookmarks, from my 10months in CFC... Can Rubicon 1.1 come faster please!!! considering everyone has pointed out they won't be using these... that won't help you much.
Dave Stark 4197	Posted - 2014.01.16 14:37:00 - [9] - Quote Genseric Tollaris wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Genseric Tollaris wrote: 250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average. they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though. Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken. hq's certainly, that's what most communities run these days.
Dave Stark 4198	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:06:00 - [10] - Quote Genseric Tollaris wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Genseric Tollaris wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Genseric Tollaris wrote: 250mil an hour for incursions seems a bit much including the lp. including the LP? debatable, but only for the very top end. certainly by no means average. they can make ~150m/hour in pure isk alone, though. Is 150mil an hour in assaults and hq's? In vanguards that'd be about 2.5 min a site if I'm not mistaken. hq's certainly, that's what most communities run these days. Well, high sec has wardecs, ganking, trading, duels, ways to make good isk in relative saftey, and it's right next to low sec, all the things that I enjoy. Now I'm thinking of moving back. Damn, maybe you guys have a point. i quite frankly would rather you all buggered off and stayed in null, less competition for fleet spots in high sec incursions. shrug but, that doesn't stop the ESS being terrible and the 5% bounty nerf being so far unjustified.

Dave Stark 4199	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:15:00 - [11] - Quote ZynnLee Akkori wrote: I don't see the problem. You get your 5% or more back just by visiting the ESS. ISK efficiency is only a mining thing, right? Null is about HTFU shooting-spaceships, right? who are you going to shoot when they're all in high sec running missions?
Dave Stark 4199	Posted - 2014.01.16 15:49:00 - [12] - Quote just like orange is the new black, mixed opinions are the new overwhelmingly negative. also there's no blue tag on the thread, i sense strange forum voodoo.
Dave Stark 4209	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:07:00 - [13] - Quote Andski wrote: No **** the hiseccers in this thread would be crying murder if this affected their precious L4/incursion rewards it would be even worse in high sec, you can't even stop some one stealing your payouts. :concord: a flat nerf to income would be better for everyone than the ESS.
Dave Stark 4209	Posted - 2014.01.17 08:23:00 - [14] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Andski wrote: No **** the hiseccers in this thread would be crying murder if this affected their precious L4/incursion rewards it would be even worse in high sec, you can't even stop some one stealing your payouts. :concord: a flat nerf to income would be better for everyone than the ESS. Like I said before, 15 km or closer to an ESS in high sec should flag you as suspect. It only makes sense. Oh and warp disrupted too. that would have to happen. still the ESS isn't an interesting deployable. it doesn't provide fun for anyone, in it's current form. well, ok, it might provide entertainment for 1-2 people using it as a way to harass players but beyond that there's no fun or interesting gameplay to be had from it. that's before we even get past the fact that having an extra character ratting is better than deploying it and guarding it. the numbers, and possibly mechanics really need a revision.
Dave Stark 4209	Posted - 2014.01.17 09:38:00 - [15] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Easy, with a reduced income from mission runners to 80% it means your 95% is an actual boost to null space. That is of course if you choose to just kill all ESS. So essentially as long as the ESS can go in any space, it is a buff to null. last i saw, 90m/hour was the best you'd get from anoms in null. that's still less than 80% of current incursion income (before lp). i'm hardly going to risk my incursion ship to try and get a bit of isk out of a deployable structure when i'm still earning more than any other activity that involves shooting red crosses while watching netflix. so what i'm really saying is; the structure still isn't fun, i'm just losing income. an across the board income nerf is less hassle and achieves the exact same thing.
Dave Stark 4210	Posted - 2014.01.17 10:05:00 - [16] - Quote Lugalbandak wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: Easy, with a reduced income from mission runners to 80% it means your 95% is an actual boost to null space. That is of course if you choose to just kill all ESS. So essentially as long as the ESS can go in any space, it is a buff to null. last i saw, 90m/hour was the best you'd get from anoms in null. that's still less than 80% of current incursion income (before lp). i'm hardly going to risk my incursion ship to try and get a bit of isk out of a deployable structure when i'm still earning more than any other activity that involves shooting red crosses while watching netflix. so what i'm really saying is; the structure still isn't fun, i'm just losing income. an across the board income nerf is less hassle and achieves the exact same thing. yeah had about 90m a hour in my renting time (-0.02 system) the better isk i got from escalation but thats not always a giving. what you think if ess was possible to deploy ervywhere , still no fun structure? not really, i'd still be earning more than null sec so all this basically would be is a nerf to income and a structure to ignore. it wouldn't generate gameplay it'd just mean i'd have to do boring stuff for longer. that really is the underlying issue; the structure just isn't fun. it's making the most tedious part of the game even more tedious.
Dave Stark 4210	Posted - 2014.01.17 10:06:00 - [17] - Quote Marlona Sky wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Marlona Sky wrote: Easy, with a reduced income from mission runners to 80% it means your 95% is an actual boost to null space. That is of course if you choose to just kill all ESS. So essentially as long as the ESS can go in any space, it is a buff to null. last i saw, 90m/hour was the best you'd get from anoms in null. that's still less than 80% of current incursion income (before lp). i'm hardly going to risk my incursion ship to try and get a bit of isk out of a deployable structure when i'm still earning more than any other activity that involves shooting red crosses while watching netflix. so what i'm really saying is; the structure still isn't fun, i'm just losing income. an across the board income nerf is less hassle and achieves the exact same thing. Just because YOU don't get involved in the combat aound the ESS does not mean it isn't fun. yeah considering 1 person gets the payout for multiple 40 man fleets, the ratio of people having fun vs people not having fun is kinda off there... by a lot.
Dave Stark 4210	Posted - 2014.01.17 10:09:00 - [18] - Quote is it me or is the whole "it's good" crowd basically justifying it being good because null sec people are pointing out it's bad, rather than that it's going to actually introduce any interesting and meaningful gameplay? cos i mean, almost every post i see saying "i love it" is almost immediately followed by "nullbear tears" or some variation.
Dave Stark 4216	Posted - 2014.01.17 15:26:00 - [19] - Quote E-2C Hawkeye wrote: Andski wrote: E6o5 wrote: La Nariz wrote: Yonis Zanjoahir wrote: A bunch of angry botters itt lmao. +1 for ESS. Security presentation showed that most of the botting occurs in highsec and over half of all botting occurs in caldari highsec. So you know where to go with your bots He's right, though. Hiseccers are the biggest culprits when it comes to botting. You mean the goons with their alts in hi-sec? Yea your right, that why the front line goon has an average of 8 accounts. source?
Dave Stark 4217	Posted - 2014.01.17 17:12:00 - [20] - Quote i just thought 8 sounded a bit low. vOv

Dave Stark 4220	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:36:00 - [21] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: "where is everyone?" Noli, or Uotila, or thereabouts as they're the two current high sec incursion areas.
Dave Stark 4220	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:43:00 - [22] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Dave Stark wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: "where is everyone?" Noli, or Uotila, or thereabouts as they're the two current high sec incursion areas. So rather than Goons exploiting the billions available they're in high sec running less profitable incursions? :) yes, goons probably are running incursions for 150m/hour instead of 90m/hour in anoms. why is this remotely surprising?
Dave Stark 4220	Posted - 2014.01.18 09:57:00 - [23] - Quote Infinity Ziona wrote: Because as I have shown i'm lazy; link.
Dave Stark 4228	Posted - 2014.01.18 15:27:00 - [24] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Infinity Ziona wrote: Because as I have shown i'm lazy; link. still waiting for this magical proof.
Dave Stark 4267	Posted - 2014.01.19 08:46:00 - [25] - Quote Wyn Pharoh wrote: I can't understand why this discussion isn't happening in the Dev blog thread itself, but if we tacked these 30+ pages onto the 80+ pages there, then this has reached threadnaught proportions because the dev blog thread is hidden in a subforum people have 0 reason to visit.